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		<title>Comment on C&amp;W 08:  Bolter Keynote by werguy</title>
		<link>http://gcritel.wordpress.com/2008/05/23/cw-08-bolter-keynote/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>werguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 13:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adding to section (2), para 2:

Forgot to write this part: If we need a rice bowl to protect, it ought to be RHETORIC, which is the whole point behind writing from its very inception millennia ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding to section (2), para 2:</p>
<p>Forgot to write this part: If we need a rice bowl to protect, it ought to be RHETORIC, which is the whole point behind writing from its very inception millennia ago.</p>
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		<title>Comment on C&amp;W 08:  Bolter Keynote by werguy</title>
		<link>http://gcritel.wordpress.com/2008/05/23/cw-08-bolter-keynote/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>werguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 13:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gah! I wish I had been there for this panel!

This plays right into my existing and continuing research, and I&#039;ve cited Bolter all over the place.

1) The literary movement didn&#039;t /need/ to beat back the hypertext movement. The hypertext movement hasn&#039;t captured much audience because a) no one knows it exists; and b) when someone does encounter it, the hypertexts themselves are so scattered that they violate all expectations of narrative; and c) it costs too darn much to get the software to view some of the more famous hypertexts; and d) hypertexts share with other PoMo writing experiments an utter contempt for audience. In short, no one has to &quot;beat back&quot; something that no one knows about and that sucks for those few who&#039;ve heard of it.

All of which is just me whining and bitching about the ivory towerness of hypertext literature in the same way I do about PoMo lit at nearly every opportunity. If narrative isn&#039;t for the reader/hearer/viewer, it&#039;s a pointless and tragic waste of creative energy.

2) I agree with your question at the head of the post: why does this matter? I feel the same way about all the VR stuff from the nineties that I&#039;ve read. On the one hand, the more we achieve telepresence and 24/7 sensory connectivity, the less use the average person will have for writing to communicate in their everyday lives. But business, government, and academe aren&#039;t going to stop insisting on written traces, and they&#039;re the ones for whom 99% of writing gets done /now/. 

I think what&#039;s hanging up Bolter and a lot of others is the idea of WRITING as something more than a communicative technology. It&#039;s as if we must protect WRITING as some sacred space of which we are high priest(esse)s. With all due respect, bull@^*%.

The really tragic thing about a lot of the VR/AR speculation and theorization is that it misses one niggling little point that I may just have to write a paper on: /humans don&#039;t need sensory immersion to experience affective immersion/!! We have had &quot;VR&quot; since the first MUDs and MOOs. Maybe since the telephone. When humans become engaged in a communicative environment, /that is the reality they&#039;re experiencing/.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gah! I wish I had been there for this panel!</p>
<p>This plays right into my existing and continuing research, and I&#8217;ve cited Bolter all over the place.</p>
<p>1) The literary movement didn&#8217;t /need/ to beat back the hypertext movement. The hypertext movement hasn&#8217;t captured much audience because a) no one knows it exists; and b) when someone does encounter it, the hypertexts themselves are so scattered that they violate all expectations of narrative; and c) it costs too darn much to get the software to view some of the more famous hypertexts; and d) hypertexts share with other PoMo writing experiments an utter contempt for audience. In short, no one has to &#8220;beat back&#8221; something that no one knows about and that sucks for those few who&#8217;ve heard of it.</p>
<p>All of which is just me whining and bitching about the ivory towerness of hypertext literature in the same way I do about PoMo lit at nearly every opportunity. If narrative isn&#8217;t for the reader/hearer/viewer, it&#8217;s a pointless and tragic waste of creative energy.</p>
<p>2) I agree with your question at the head of the post: why does this matter? I feel the same way about all the VR stuff from the nineties that I&#8217;ve read. On the one hand, the more we achieve telepresence and 24/7 sensory connectivity, the less use the average person will have for writing to communicate in their everyday lives. But business, government, and academe aren&#8217;t going to stop insisting on written traces, and they&#8217;re the ones for whom 99% of writing gets done /now/. </p>
<p>I think what&#8217;s hanging up Bolter and a lot of others is the idea of WRITING as something more than a communicative technology. It&#8217;s as if we must protect WRITING as some sacred space of which we are high priest(esse)s. With all due respect, bull@^*%.</p>
<p>The really tragic thing about a lot of the VR/AR speculation and theorization is that it misses one niggling little point that I may just have to write a paper on: /humans don&#8217;t need sensory immersion to experience affective immersion/!! We have had &#8220;VR&#8221; since the first MUDs and MOOs. Maybe since the telephone. When humans become engaged in a communicative environment, /that is the reality they&#8217;re experiencing/.</p>
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		<title>Comment on /Hiatus&#8230; by Julie</title>
		<link>http://gcritel.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/hiatus/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh.  Quarters.  It&#039;s not just you, I promise.  And those people who appear to be taking it all in stride, they&#039;re not.  : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh.  Quarters.  It&#8217;s not just you, I promise.  And those people who appear to be taking it all in stride, they&#8217;re not.  : )</p>
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		<title>Comment on /Hiatus&#8230; by werguy</title>
		<link>http://gcritel.wordpress.com/2008/04/06/hiatus/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>werguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, at least you got in! LOL Just kidding. This is Daren, btw, known on LiveJournal and LibraryThing as werguy.

I, too, am much relieved to have 4C behind me. So, this &quot;quarter&quot; thing fascinates. Tell us more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, at least you got in! LOL Just kidding. This is Daren, btw, known on LiveJournal and LibraryThing as werguy.</p>
<p>I, too, am much relieved to have 4C behind me. So, this &#8220;quarter&#8221; thing fascinates. Tell us more?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Wow. by Julie</title>
		<link>http://gcritel.wordpress.com/2007/09/28/wow/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Genevieve, thanks for the comment on my blog.  I actually DID switch to wordpress this weekend, somewhat by accident.  Thankfully I was able to import all of my old posts so it&#039;s all (mostly) still standing.

Just wanted to comment to let you know that I DIDN&#039;T go underground and so that you could find me.

Thanks for reading.

Oh, also: I was able to set up my wordpress blog to allow anyone to comment, they just have to give me their email address.  At least I think that&#039;s the deal.  I hope so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Genevieve, thanks for the comment on my blog.  I actually DID switch to wordpress this weekend, somewhat by accident.  Thankfully I was able to import all of my old posts so it&#8217;s all (mostly) still standing.</p>
<p>Just wanted to comment to let you know that I DIDN&#8217;T go underground and so that you could find me.</p>
<p>Thanks for reading.</p>
<p>Oh, also: I was able to set up my wordpress blog to allow anyone to comment, they just have to give me their email address.  At least I think that&#8217;s the deal.  I hope so.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Days 7/8 by gcritel</title>
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		<dc:creator>gcritel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what best means either.  I&#039;ve actually thought about letting the students choose the eight essays to send forward--they&#039;re the target audience after all, right?  
And I do wonder why my blog would come up first when you google yourself.  That&#039;s pretty weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what best means either.  I&#8217;ve actually thought about letting the students choose the eight essays to send forward&#8211;they&#8217;re the target audience after all, right?<br />
And I do wonder why my blog would come up first when you google yourself.  That&#8217;s pretty weird.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Days 7/8 by amckain</title>
		<link>http://gcritel.wordpress.com/2007/09/06/days-78/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>amckain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and i sincerely appreciate that.  (sorry; googled my name to find an essay i just published and your blog came up first.)

-a.mckain

p.s., i&#039;m not totally sure i know what &quot;best&quot; students means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and i sincerely appreciate that.  (sorry; googled my name to find an essay i just published and your blog came up first.)</p>
<p>-a.mckain</p>
<p>p.s., i&#8217;m not totally sure i know what &#8220;best&#8221; students means.</p>
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		<title>Comment on As bored as I might be now, I know soon I&#8217;ll be unpleasantly busy. by gcritel</title>
		<link>http://gcritel.wordpress.com/2007/08/24/as-bored-as-i-might-be-now-i-know-soon-ill-be-unpleasantly-busy/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>gcritel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You rock Alissa.  I admire that...I&#039;m just terrible at such things :o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You rock Alissa.  I admire that&#8230;I&#8217;m just terrible at such things <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>Comment on As bored as I might be now, I know soon I&#8217;ll be unpleasantly busy. by alissa0902</title>
		<link>http://gcritel.wordpress.com/2007/08/24/as-bored-as-i-might-be-now-i-know-soon-ill-be-unpleasantly-busy/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>alissa0902</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may not find this comforting -- in fact I&#039;d be surprised if it comforted you at all -- but my books and clothes are organized in exactly that same manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may not find this comforting &#8212; in fact I&#8217;d be surprised if it comforted you at all &#8212; but my books and clothes are organized in exactly that same manner.</p>
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